The Fixie Debate
February 19, 2009
Fixed gear bicycles are all the rage these days. One can’t travel more than half a mile on a warm day without encountering at least one biker riding a brakeless fixie and sporting a Chrome bag and one of those flippy hats. They started with bike messengers and have now filtered down through the bike hipster contingent to anyone who fancies themselves a badass.
For those who have been living under a rock, a fixed-gear is a bicycle which does not allow freewheeling, or coasting. The rider must constantly pedal as the pedals are in motion whenever the bike is. Fixed gears allow the rider to build up a great deal of momentum, which translates into greater speed but dramatically reduced stopping ability. Some riders even do away with brakes entirely, instead relying on a trick called skid-stopping, in which the rider uses his own (fallible) physical strength to stop the pedals and the wheel. If you think this sounds stupid, that’s because it is.
Riding a fixed gear puts pressures on the body that are unnatural. The constant motion can wear out knees and allow acids to build up in leg muscles. If you think you’re going to ride fixed your whole life, I’ve got news for you: your knees are going to wear out after a few years of riding.
But even if personal health isn’t a factor, there are a myriad of others reasons why you shouldn’t choose a fixed gear. Fixed gear bicycles have inherent mechanical properties that make them unsuitable and unsafe for riding in a city. The fact that it is more inconvenient and challenging to stop means that sometimes fixed riders just don’t; it encourages the rider to ignore traffic signals such as street lights and stop signs. I can’t count the times I’ve seen a fixed gear blow through a busy intersection on a red light or run a stop sign right in front of a line of cars.
Additionally, there is an issue of stopping control. Whether on a busy campus or in rush-hour traffic, the ability to stop your movement at a split-second’s notice is pivotal. Relying on fancy tricks to stop when you have less than a second to both perceive and respond to danger is ridiculous. Even for fixed gears with brakes, the sudden application of a brake to a fixed riding system is jarring and has the potential to hurl the rider straight over the handlebars. Imagine if cars weren’t able to stop on a dime; bikers love to bitch about asshole drivers, but it’s possible to be a jerk on a bike too. If bikers want to be able to use roadways, they need to have brakes and they need to be able to stop. Period. If you want to make choices that have negative consequences for you, like not wearing a helmet, fine. But being unable to stop endangers everyone on the road.
Then there is the issue of the constant battle for bike legitimacy. While I would certainly rather someone ride a bike than drive a car and I am happy that people my age are finally seeing a bike as a great way to get around, I think that riding fixed is actually destructive to the bike rights movement. In order for bikes to be considered a legitimate form of transportation by city governments, town planners, and the general populace, the myth that biking is dangerous needs to be overcome. Riding a bike that can’t stop is simply not the way to do this. Again, I honestly have no problem with people making decisions I disagree with if it effects only their reputation, but bad feelings with motorists affects all bikers. For every fixie fool that cuts a car at a stop sign because he doesn’t want to slow down, bike rights is pushed one step back.
Granted, there are a few very narrow situations in which a fixed gear bike may be defensible. During the depths of Minnesota winters, it can get so cold that the pawls that allow a freewheel to coast may become stuck and render the bike useless. Fixed gear cogs have no pawls, so they’re not prone to this particular problem. They also keep constant force on the rear wheel, which is pivotal if you begin to slide on ice.
Fixed gears are a dangerous hip fad that has grown to an epidemic of irresponsibility. I’ll celebrate the day the city makes these illegal.
So, pile on the hate mail.
Re: Dude, Fixies Suck (NOT)
As an avid fixed gear rider I can safely say that the appeal of a fixed gear bike is almost impossible to understand unless you have experienced it first hand. The closest parallel to riding a fixed gear is like walking, but with more grace and much more speed. Fixed riders are in complete control of their speed at all times; if the rider wants to slow down they slow their feet down, as opposed to using a rudimentary tool to apply pressure to the wheel. It is a machine that one can find greater physical and psychological harmony with.
Admittedly, riding a bicycle of this nature has its dangers. But these dangers are only an issue if the rider is inexperienced. I have been riding my fixed gear bike for 6 months now without any brakes. When I first started riding this bike 2 years ago I never would have thought that I would take the brake off. But after riding every day for those 2 years I was confident enough in my riding ability to safely take the brake off. Since that time I have not had any accidents aside from falling on my butt going no more than 2 miles an hour over ice.
The appeal is much more than the thrill of not having an apparatus called a “brake”. My bike frame essentially has nothing more than two wheels, a chain, some pedals, and two cogs. Maintenance is minimal. The most I will ever have to do in any given month is refill my tires, lube the chain and change an occasional flat. On freewheel bikes and especially geared bikes one has to worry about many more things.
As far as stopping power goes, I can stop on a dime. Skid stopping is a tricky maneuver that takes practice and does not come easily. But once you do learn how to do it, it is just as effective if not more so than a brake is. The direct connection between the rider’s feet and the wheel creates a direct connection between the rider and the street. I am aware of many things while I am riding. Because the bike always travels the same distance for every rotation I know exactly what position my feet will be in when I come to an intersection, a pothole or any other obstacle. This allows me to negotiate these obstacles and know when and how I will stop. Because of this awareness it is true that I will often not stop at red lights or blow through stop signs.
Although I cannot speak for all fixed gear riders I know that I am very polite in my disobedience of traffic signals. At stoplights I come to complete stops always and make sure there are no cars coming before I proceed. To say that all cyclists disobeying traffic signals are fixed gear riders is prejudiced and a lie. There have been many times when I am waiting at a traffic light and I will see someone riding a non-fixed gear bike go through the intersection against a red.
I love riding my bike as it is: fixed and brakeless. But there are dangers that come with this that only experienced riders can anticipate and deal with. Again these things are something that may not be readily understood by any way other than first hand experience, but once they are experienced, they are life changing.
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Comments & Discussion
ben, now everyone knows you’re one of ‘those kids.’ ya jerk.
It would seem that all of the things that bother Matt(?) about fixed gears are already illegal. I would like to read this same debate only about the people who are causing the problems and make fun of their conversions with bad chain alignment. plz?
My chain alignment is just fine, thank you.
I was talking about the people who are blowing stop signs.
Ohhhhh.
Dear Mr. Fixie;
Yeah, fixies are fun to ride. However, I guarantee you that I can stop in about a third of the distance that you can on my bike with two fully functioning brakes. Physics, pure and simple: read up on your static and kinetic friction.
Also, if you can’t deal with the minimal maintenance that adding a brake entails, well… seriously? Are you that lazy/clueless?
“Because the bike always travels the same distance for every rotation I know exactly what position my feet will be in when I come to an intersection, a pothole or any other obstacle.” You wouldn’t have to constantly worry about it if you had a freewheel.
Finally:
“Because of this awareness it is true that I will often not stop at red lights or blow through stop signs.” Followed by “At stoplights I come to complete stops always and make sure there are no cars coming before I proceed.”
Huh. So which is it? Face it, you’re no better a traffic citizen than those same bikers you later criticize. Worse, really, because you’re incapable of stopping quickly.
“Riding a fixed gear puts pressures on the body that are unnatural. The constant motion can wear out knees and allow acids to build up in leg muscles. If you think you’re going to ride fixed your whole life, I’ve got news for you: your knees are going to wear out after a few years of riding.”
Curious.
Can you please share your information source regarding this statement.
Thank you.
Are we riding or hiding?
I do have to ask. if you ‘haters’ dislike the fixed gear bicycle so much, why do you spend all this time writing blogs about how much you hate them? Why not just keep the hating to yourself and quit with the whinning, it’s giving me a headache. And i do agree with Ben, there are many things about a fixed gear that you can’t fully understand without some experience on the subject, so i say, get off the computer and go do some research.
Fixed gears do suck. So do the beards, tattoos, newboy hats, skinny pants and backpacks.
BMX.
BMX.
I feel bad for the fixie guy who blew a light and broke his neck hitting my fender.
Please just stop at the lights.
Right on Adam. Those are the points that made no sense to me either when I read Mr. Fixie’s contradicting and fallible arguments.
“I can safely say that the appeal of a fixed gear bike is almost impossible to understand unless you have experienced it”
Haha first off it’s ironic that you use the word safely in your pro fixie argument. Second of all, you are saying that you don’t know the effects of drugs if you’ve never done it.
Common sense would tell you that no way can a skidding a rear tire come to a complete stop faster than a bike with front and rear brake. Skidding is the worst way to stop and doing so means that you’ve lost control of the bike. Hence there are ABS brakes on cars.
@ Andy: If we keep everything we hate to ourselves, there would be no discussion or improvements. Seems like you just can’t stand people hating things that you like. And the author of this post is not whinning. He’s has given good examples to support his points.
two “fixie” riders wanted to ride my bms the other day and they couldnt even figure out how to do it at first, meaning you have to start pedaling standing up haha. it was funny.
then again, i looked liek adumbass trying to ride a fixed bike so it goes both ways i guess.
fixed bikes themselves dont suck, fixed gear “culture” is what sucks. its that the majority of peopel you see riding fixed look the part, which is annoying and lame, giving all fixed riders a bad name. i mean lets get real, fixed culture is hollow yet pretentious. the paradoxical nature of that situation makes everyone else annoyed to hell.
and “andy”
“there are many things about a fixed gear that you can’t fully understand without”
but but but i thought they were the most simple and efficient bikes you could ride? which is it, is it to complicated for other riders such as a lowly bmx’er liek me to understand, or is it the pinnacle of simplicity and elegance?
hey, i dont care if fixie fags ride with their rolled up jeans and gay hats and backpacks..I’m still just gonna throw water bottles at them
backpacks are gay now?
reallly guys?
also to fixieh8r i would love to see you do that to anyone that i ride with i promise you you wouldnt get up.now to everyone:why are fixie riders gay?
were nt hippsters people were BIKE RIDERS i promise theres a difference and antone who cant see that…well im sure someone will put u in your place
you can stop a fixed bike with a front brake faster than a freewheel bike with two brakes… physics applies: the majority of stopping power is transferred to the front wheel (i’ve heard up to 70% of stopping power is possible with a front brake alone, albeit from an unqualified source (sheldon brown)) and then (with a fixie) you have the added ability to completely stop the back tire from spinning… you stop on a dot… not a dime. My only point, if I’m making one, is that riding a fixed gear bike with a front brake is rational, comfortable, not dangerous, and therefore sane in an urban environment… my celebrity status aside, I consider trends to be like society’s dowsing rod, searching for water in the desert… dowsing… seriously? what made you come up with that one? one may say that my method is not sound, but upon finding water, we all agree that it is wet… and that the well is deep
I’ve ridden brakeless as a messenger in Chicago for 3 years (8 hours a day, 200 something days a year) … i’d generally agree with mr. timberlake… there is a divine concept that agrees with the concept of dowsing and fixed gear riding… you really have to feel each intersection out… become a jedi… but still i never go willy-nilly into traffic… having two eyes and three ears helps this situation immensely… i’ve been hit twice since i’ve removed my brakes and each time nothing would have helped the situation, once was completely from behind and the other involved a rogue jaywalker who i will only describe as mr. y-did-u-think-what-u-were-doing-wouldn’t-involve-pain-for-both-of-us… biking in an urban environment is dangerous… i often see children riding behind their parents , many of them under ten years of age… it seems dangerous to me… i want them on the sidewalks, away from the danger… i’ve thought to put helmets on their bare heads and elbow pads on their arms… but never did i think that a brake would save them… will those same children grow up, don skinny pants, and die because of my thoughtlessness?… Nietzsche says, “live dangerously… die at the right time.” I’d like to add, “not while wearing skinny pants. not for machismo. not sucking on a tail-pipe. not for a trend.” Is it fashion or disease that compels us to think such silly things?
i agree w/ matt that anyone is free to make choices, even stupid choices, so long as they only affect that individual, etc, etc. i’ve ridden BMX for over 10 years and a couple years back i thought it’d be interesting to give fixed gear a whirl, for faster transport, etc. of course, there will always be others who question the validity of my statement and the skill i had riding a fixed gear, but honestly, it was probably the most dangerous contraption i’ve ever been on, riding through the city. i’d never been hit by a car on any other bike i’ve ridden, but on the fixed gear, i was hit once one time and another time narrowly escaped being taken out by an SUV, having to jump a curb and bust my fork instead. in both situations i was FOLLOWING the traffic laws. point being, i sold the fixed gear after a year and a half. the nature of a fixed gear is like playing roulette; you might be on top, but only for a while, until you get taken down.
The idea that a fixie bas better braking ability than a regular bike is fundamentally flawed because you are making the assumption that the best braking effort of a tyre is achieved when the tyre is skidding. In the biz there is a description for the skidding tyre and that is when the tyre is in 100% skid. but that is where you are going wrong. As an example a car that locks up the wheels under braking not only loses control, but is not stopping as efficiently as it could be.
Without going into details (see Theory of Ground Vehicles by J. Wong) it can be said that a tyre that is in the vicinity of 20-25% skid is applying the greatest amount of force on the road, any higher levels of skid than that and you are braking less efficiently. So saying that a bike with fixed gears and one brake will brake better than one with two is totally wrong.
Whats his face put it the best. theres plenty wrong with fixies but theres plenty wrong with a uni cycle also ( its got one fricken wheel!), Its not the bikes i hate its the riders, the ones who think they have all the control in the world blow stop signs and generally forget cars will kill you!
you will damn well deserve it aswell, the ambulance will see your brakeless bike, and awesome hat and probably turn around( applies to all cyclists really).
LOL
AND to the brake argument….. i ride a street mtb with an 8 inch front a 7 inch rear HYDRAULIC disc brakes ffs, my centre of gravity is lower so more grip and thus stopping power, physics is on my side baby ill stop on a dime.
Fixies
pros: speed, light, wheelies…. ok im strugling.
cons:stopping distance, grip, light build strenght, can’t manual, front wheel stoppies…. not likely, jumps…. hah lol, bunny hops?… with a seat up ur ass halfway through.
why are they popular? theY Are almost as useless as a unicycle except u can go fast woooooooo. Or they are like a long board compared to a skateboard.
Mtb/bmx street
ARE PRO. full stop :D
if u want to develop riding skills mtb and bmx skills are the best to learn and the most helpfull across all riding types except gay oops i mean fixie had to say it.
haha thats my 2 cents
Don’t hate the bike ( well try ) hate the riders :> the silly bastards.
BMXer4LIFE said – “the nature of a fixed gear is like playing roulette; you might be on top, but only for a while, until you get taken down.”
my friend. with all do respect, this is a nature that applies on all forms of bikes. heck, all aspects of life if i may add.
I admit fixies is dangerous, but to me it is only at first. i find it that fixies a form of bike that improves your skills along with you riding it. and the fun aspect too.
well that is my opinion. and i prefer fixed more than any other bike.
It’s fun! We are all on bikes and who cares what kind of bike you are riding? It’s not a fad, people try them and love them, like me! Fascist scum!!!!!!!!!!!
From a Roadie to a Fixie…
We are different, maybe read this and understand why we will never truly get along.
While a fixed gear may have some pros in the city commute, try to do a “real” ride and that’s not happening. I’m a roadie, I take pride in average speed, cadence, distance, pace lines, wattage, and heart rate. To me, your not a cyclist until you plan your meals around your training rides. You shouldn’t call yourself a cyclist around me until you’ve bonked, until you’ve ridden a century, or have needed anti chafe cream for a long ride. To me, a fixed gear rider shouldn’t call themselves a cyclist. It’s like a slap in the face to all the training miles I’ve ridden. I get to call myself a cyclist because I’ve ridden over mountain passes, crashed at speeds over 20mph, lead 15 man pace lines, and pedaled 206 miles in 10 hours. You get to call yourself a cyclist because you found a schwinn, put multi colored wheels on it, and cut the handlebars. To a cyclist like me fixie culture is missing the true essence of cycling. Freedom. I’m not talking about freedom from fossil fuels, complex machinery, capitalism, or whatever other reasons their are for riding fixed gear. I’m talking about Freedom from the world I’m constantly surrounded by.
There is absolutely nothing like riding through remote open roads. Travelling out of the noisy polluted urban environment. That is when I as a cyclist can connect to more than my bike. Never in any commute have I pedaled for long enough to feel a true rhythm. I can’t even get my cadence up for 5 minutes without having to slow or stop. Rhythm, pace, physical highs. These are things I ride for, these are things that connect life to me. With my bike I can see the world and challenge myself beyond my physical limits. To get my whole body in a rhythm, it’s like meditation, have you focused all your attention on rhythm and pace for 12 hours? I have. On a bike for a full hard day ride, I learn about myself. Riding in a city, I learn about how stressed and angry people really can be.
Fixed gear bikes is a culture I am not part of. Cycling is fitness and freedom to me, not connecting with city streets, or the pace of a city, but more so I ride to the pace of my heart and legs.
Whether you are a fixie rider, or mountain bike rider, bmxer, or roadie, we all share a connection with our bikes. The differences between us all will always create tension because we come from different perspectives why we ride. We all share something in common, we have a passion for human power and pedals.
So fixie rider, this is why a roadie rider will never understand you. Never will I admire you or your bike. I will be happy you have resurrected a classic steel frame bike, but I will still laugh at your reasoning for a fixed gear. I would shake your hand politely, but shake my head at your choice of one fixed gear and then pedal quickly away with a cadence of 90. We ride for different reasons.
why are we fighting, ya its a stupid fad for hipsters, but there on bikes, everyone made good points about how the law breaking fixie riders make us cyclist look bad, and how there is a connection to the fixie like no other, but there on bikes doesnt that matter for anything, i just built a fixie, i ride a hybrid, i ride a road bike. i have ridden centuries and i have ridden to work and class, i have been car free all my life. i built a fixie because ya they look cool, i wanted to try something new, and i just had knee surgery and the prospect of restrengthn my lleg seems nice, i thought the clean lines would complement athe beauty of my myata 310. i enjoyed selecting parts and building it up, it was my winter project, and ya i custom painted it, as will i my hybrid quite soon, its already somewhat custom. this fad will die soon but i hope some riders will stay and the CYCLIST community will grow, ya i am willing to embrace anyone who embraces two wheels as a cyclist, why cause im not a pretentious prick who gets off on mile counts, your missing the point campy4life i have been you have but i wasnt a jerk about it i hope we can come together roadies fixies, mtbrs and all other breeds of cyclist and actually make a difference in the world of city planning and roads and our social mores regardng bikes rather than argue like bitches cause we all think were better than eachother
I’ve got a problem with hipster culture, but I don’t know that a “fixie culture” exists. I converted my roadie to fixed and I do my best to keep the bike looking stock and inconspicuous, because I do think the whole fixie-as-fashion-statement thing is pretty stupid. I’m actually embarrassed to tell people I ride a fixie; it’s like having an uncle in the KKK. But I just like riding fixed better than freewheel. It’s like driving manual instead of automatic – it’s not “better,” but it’s more fun.
Campy4Life, you said it best yourself: we all share a connection with our bikes. I’m not sure why you feel compelled to tell me I’m “not a cyclist” because I use my bike to commute rather than to get myself in shape. I respect your use of your bike, even if it isn’t for me. Why don’t you respect mine?
And also, I ride with two brakes…I don’t ever try to skip-stop because it’s just stupid. Braking force should be applied at the front wheel first and foremost.
You missed my point. I was making an honest statement about why i don’t like fixed gear bikes and the hipsters that ride them.
Tell me this. Why cut the handlebars when it makes the bike more unstable to maneuver? Why take away gears so that you have more trouble going up hills? Why not have a freewheel hub so that when your going downhill you don’t have to pedal your ass off? Why take off the brakes? that’s ludicrous.. and Why paint a bike when it’s going to be a daily commuter that get’s used and abused, dropped and ran into by other people?
I think they look cool, and the fact that old Italian bike frames are being put to good use is awesome. It just doesn’t make sense to me. So I smile at you, I like you, I think its great your a commuter. But I don’t get your choice of the fixed gear bike with no brakes.
There are a lot of generalizations in my statement, but you know what? That’s part of my honest opinion. Call me a jerk and a prick but realize your the one name calling. I am simply saying WHY. Why I don’t like hipster fixie riding culture. Why there is a divide between someone like me. Personally, do whatever you want, we are both people and we should get along because of that connection. It’s simply an explanation, maybe so any hipster or average Joe fixed gear bike rider might better understand why they aren’t automatically liked by cycling culture. Do with it what you want, it wasn’t meant for offense. I simply wanted to stir up the discussion by bringing in some perspective and attempt to provide some back ground as to why we don’t all get along.
I think it’s tragic, cyclists should present a united front. There shouldn’t be any bickering, although a lot of cyclists think that fixed gear bikes and hipsters are bad for cyclists in general. Giving “cyclists” a bad rep, and this blog is an outlet for some of that frustration. Try to have an open mind. Maybe join the conversation and add real substance to the topic like fuxed did. Your right Fuxed, it’s not so much “fixie culture” but more so hipster culture and that was a bad choice of words on my part. It’s not that I don’t respect your use of biking, I just don’t get the reason to go with a fixed gear bike over what’s available to you, I love shifting so I can pedal at ease up hills, and gear up to go the speed of traffic. One fixed gear just seems like physical punishment and I don’t understand the choice other than to fall in line with the trend.
But to you WTF I’ll say this. Sorry I hurt your ego, grow up.
Huh, funny that you posted just a few days before I found this in my bookmarks.
If you’re looking for reasons, well, it’s hard to put into words. That mysterious “zen thing” that fixsters are always going on about, there’s something to it. Perhaps not as much as they’d like to believe, but there’s definitely a sense of control that you feel when the pedals and wheels are always connected.
I suppose that, in a way, it’s like driving manual. Sure, automatics and fancy dual-clutch gearboxes these days are as durable (if not more so) than manuals and can offer more ratios than any car with a clutch pedal (I’ve never seen an H-pattern shifter with more than six forward speeds). With automatics these days, you can accelerate faster, get better mileage, and not worry about wearing out your clutch, and it doesn’t cost any extra. But it’s just more fun to have that third pedal: getting smooth launches, matching revs, double-clutching downshifts, et cetera. When you drive an automatic, your only inputs are directions: go faster, slow down, turn. You’re not involved in the mechanical operation of the car beyond opening throttle butterflies and squeezing brake fluid. Stick shift is a way to be involved in the drive even when you’re just puttering around town. Likewise on a fixed gear bike, being able to backpedal to slow down, track stand at lights, ride extremely slow…none of it makes me any faster or more efficient, but it’s fun. It makes the rider manipulate the mechanics of the ride rather than just giving the bike instructions.
As far as “real rides,” I don’t know how much experience you have with fixies, but try riding one for a week or two. Just as an around-town commuter, maybe – I guess that’s where they shine. It took me about that long to really get used to and involved in my new riding style, and after that going back to a freewheeling bike felt strange, exactly like sitting in the driver’s seat and hunting for the clutch pedal before starting an automatic car.
lolol i just noticed that i gave the manual vs automatic spiel in my last post
you can tell i’m used to this argument
Regardless of the manual vs automatic spiel (which I totally agree and can relate to) your point was well articulated. It makes sense to me, i guess you don’t really get the choice to relax and zone out on a fixed gear bike.
I do get what you mean by the manual vs automatic, you don’t get the chance to sit back and reduce your interaction with the machine, but part of the thing i like about my bike (even when commuting) I can zone out. I get into a rhythm with pedaling and I have some gears to keep up my rhythm uphill or down, fast or slow. When I’m zoned out, i hear the sound of the tires on the road, hear my own breathe, and watch the world just go by, and when I miss step or shift my weight I can do it smoothly without effort.
I have an all steel frame and steel wheels, that is very sensitive to movement and vibrations. I wouldn’t really describe my bike as smooth unless I am smooth. If i don’t pedal smoothly, my bike lets me know. I feel every piece of gravel in the road and every stroke of my pedals in the frame and wheels. This is a totally different feeling from an aluminum or carbon bike. I get a connection to the machine and road with the type of bike I’m on.
Anyways, for the commute, the choice makes sense. and it seems like it could be fun to ride for those distances. ONLY if the bike has brakes though. If I tried it I can imagine it would make me feel like a kid again, riding my blue huffy around when I was 9. At any rate, I understand it better, thanks.
The great thing is, it doesn’t matter what bike we ride, we all feel an intrinsic connection to it. Our personal reasons for riding are our own and we guard them pretty well, because we are proud to ride and proud of the machine that we’re riding. We can all agree that bicycles make the world a better place.
Can we please agree that hipsters don’t? especially ones with thin mustaches, goodwill tank tops, and cut off jean shorts? :)
Fixie is just plainly *snorkle*, nuff said…
fixed bike hipsters (aka, bike courier wannabees) never seem to actually be going anywhere in particular, even though they’re usually carrying over-sized messenger bags. they just float around town wanting to be seen with their tight jean shorts and goofy colored tires. i laugh at them when i’m comfortably passing them going uphill. biking is transportation and exercise, not a fashion show.
regardless of what you think about braking being safer with just a front brake or with a rear brake as well, everyone should realize that the rim is going to be “skidding” regardless of how you stop. with front and rear brakes, the pad skids along the machined rim wall, causing the wheel to stop. with a fixed gear, the tire skids when backwards pressure is applied, causing the back wheel to stop. i ride a fixie as my road bike, because i believe in my own legs and not the ease that gears bring to a biking experience. i had a road bike before my fixie, and i liked it well enough, but it is absolutely true that the flavor of fun fixed gear bikes bring to the biking scene can’t really be evaluated until you’ve put at least twenty miles onto one. there really is some strange connection with the road that derailleurs and a multiple-cog cassette seem to overlook.
also, none on this discussion are valid “arguments” whatsoever. people make points. other people think those points are stupid. and the flame war goes on. it’s not a big deal, but it’s important to realize that people are going to ride fixed and other people are going to hate them for it. if you want to spend your life hating fixed gear riders because they somehow unconsciously subscribe to a small hipster trend, then go ahead. i’m not going to hold my breath.
just my two cents.
fixed is so easy, All of you are manginas, Ive only been brakeless 6 months and i fly thru the city and bomb hills one foot no hands. I really thought this fixed game was going to be harder but it isnt. You peeps talking on vast bmx experience are pretty weak on a fixie
Lets be honest a fixed gear with a front brake is pretty much as safe as a front and rear braked free-wheel. Arguing which is marginally safer is futile. I don’t care if some riders decide to go brakeless. Up to them. I believe they are in control. I just finished my first fixed gear conversion. I have ridden geared bikes, both MTB and road bikes for 25 years. But I am a minimalist and the simple nature of a fixie appeals to me. I still have my geared bikes though, which I will use for touring, off-road and road racing respectively. But for pure city commute and small (non-mountain) tours I don’t see anything better than my fixed gear. Why we have to label each other is beyond me. The only potentially negative side of the fixed gear culture is the supposed coolness of it. Other than that, really everyone should just live and let live. People who openly admit that they can’t understand another persons reasonable opinion (campy4life) should maybe have a word with themselves.
@campy4life
I don’t mind that you wear stretchy pants when going on “tours.”
But nobody loses respect from me faster than people that can’t figure out how to use “you’re” vs “your”…
also, i thought about getting a road bike, then i read campy4life’s manifesto, and quickly decided I DID NOT want to be a part of whatever he/she is a part of (sounds like a HE though)…
Fixies are a trend just like SUVs. But not that stupid. Any trend toward simplicity is welcomed.
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“also, i thought about getting a road bike, then i read campy4life’s manifesto, and quickly decided I DID NOT want to be a part”
He probably hates humanity and escapes to the countryside. I don’t have such a choice around here.
seriously.. whatever bike you ride, go ride it and have fun on it with who ever you want. Bikes are for fun, so why turn it into a brawl. Your all just a bunch of kids yelling at eachother “My bikes better then yours!” jeez grow up…
“When I’m zoned out, i hear the sound of the tires on the road, hear my own breathe,” but not the car coming towards you on your left. Not to worry, you can stop on a dime, right? Yup. Right in the middle of the road.
No offense, just saying that neither zoning out or stopping at the first sign of danger is always a good thing
yeah campy4life is an idiot. In every sport, and everything for that that matter, there are the assholes who think because they are more dedicated, spend a lot more time, or money, that they are better than you. Sure better at that specific thing, but not a better person. You better be good after so many hours and so many hundreds of dollars! If you think about it, this is a class battle of sorts. Bikes, like cars, are status symbols in our society. The haves always look down on the have nots, and the have nots always create their own culture that shuns the haves. This has been going on since the beginning of history, and will probably continue until the end of it. The things you do, you think are the best, because if you didn’t, why would you not be doing something different?? I certainly won’t argue that I can go faster, travel farther, and stop better on my fixie, but life isn’t always about having the best performance, going the fastest, or being the strongest. Sometimes it’s about having fun. And I have more fun than a barrel full of monkeys on my fixie, but that’s just me. Whether skidding on a fixed, cruising down the beach, bombing a mountain trail, or riding a century, it’s riding a bicycle. Enjoy it!!
I ride fixed gear bikes. I’ve realized it is wrong to cross red lights and ignore stops, but all you guys whining isn’t going to fix anything ! yes it’s dangerous? so what ? so is driving intoxicated, yet more people die off car crashes than bike accidents. I’m not saying you have to like it , but your opinion doesn’t matter to us , we’ll ride as long as we want.
Wake mag = I can’t believe you call this a magazine. Your just ranting on fixies – Fuck off, get a blog and share your bullshit thoughts and personal opinions on your little bullshit blog. magazine? haha. what a joke of a site.
I like my bike :) That’s all i have to say..
Fixie?…tried it, didn’t like it.
I can see how, if I invested A LOT of time riding fixed, I’d develop an instinct…but I’d also develop some torn up palms, bruised hips and shoulders, etc (much worse than hardcore street skateboarding…been there). The act of skid stopping is an awkward balancing act that’s obviously gonna bite you…not just once, but frequently (kinda like people who drink alcohol regularly, periodically overdo it and vomit).
If I was 14 and lived in a landlocked state, I might be be tempted…but I’m not and I don’t. There are better sports on which to take risks (and the damages are usually less severe). I see bikes more as just relaxed fun…that just happens to also be good exercise.
I like the clean look on a bike, but am sticking with a freewheel and brakes.
If you don’t like fixed gears don’t ride them. Fixed or freewheels are not dangerous if you have a brake up front. If you don’t then go get another tattoo don’t shave and have another pabst. It’s your choice so do what you want. Obey the traffic laws or you’ll get smashed eventually. This article sucks. You wanna make fun of green bar tape pink chains and spoke cards then go ahead. If you want to hate on an entire class of bikes that are supposed to be simple and quick, well then I guess you should just stfu
A fixed gear bicycle is a simple machine. The human being powering it is much more complex and infinitely diverse. If you want to write about the pros and cons of the bike, do so. Confusing the machine with the human is ignorant.
I’m a die-hard roadie, but if my fellow roadies were all like Campy4life, I’d have to ride under and 18-wheeler and end it all (fortunately they’re not). I’ve done everything he’s described on a road bike and probably a lot more (road racing in France/Italy/UK/Canada, crits, Galibier/ Alpe D’Huez/ Ventoux/ Tourmalet etc etc) but it doesn’t make us superior to fixie riders. Why the puff-chested roadie narrow mindedness/bigotry? If anyone wants to ride a fixie, go for it. Anything that gets someone on a bike is great in my book – whatever blows their hair back. Paint your wheels, strip away the cogs, wear skinny jeans – whatever. Just have fun and ride safely.
bradjelina jolie/pitt – you put it very sweetly. Chapeaux to you.
There’s no fundamental difference in geometry between a fixed and non-fixed bicycle. It’s utterly fallacious to say that even brakes are somehow prone to flipping people over on a fixed gear bike. Track bikes have more aggressive geometry, but brakes are basically equally safe on any type of bicycle.
Ride safe. Wear a helmet, have brakes, and have lights. Whether fixed, singlespeed, mtb, hybrid, or roadie, you’ll be fine.